I'm not sure I understand what you mean. The Centroid is a mixing console, the Curve and EQ and the Quantum a multi-band compressor. Only the last two make sense as -components- of a mastering chain. They don't have "mastering options" themselves. Also, how is mastering relevant to hearing problems? You probably mean some kind of -monitoring- option since if your hearing is impaired, it will affect every stage of sound production.
I think that 40 percent of people have some sort of disability in heIn addition, someone uses a non-quality equipmentaring.Apart from people like me having trouble hearing in connection with the profession.And also children they can spoil their ears,and then the site may have a problem.need to think about the safety of listeners
We need to develop some kind of security standard,both for listeners and for those who write.
I understand the difficulties,but sooner or later this issue will be a concern for many
Or all works would receive color logos. :
red. warning about the dangers for hearing
Yellow.some danger
Green.everything is good
Blue.excellent.
Type of censorship hearing hazard.I may be wrong,
I think hearing disabilities and loudness protection are two separate issues. For the second, if you're doing music at all, I think you should know enough to adjust the volume of your monitoring system. Besides, many devices like the Master Output and the synthesizers have default presets where their output volume is not at the maximum.
If you fear that your mastering may injure others because it's skewed by your hearing, you shouldn't make music without other aids at all. Even an average track would sound so bad that no auto-fix-my-mastering-device could make it acceptable for publishing. (This is not meant as an offense)
For smaller hearing deficiencies you could create a (temporary) preset for curve to compensate for that (if you have your audiometer results from a otolaryngologist or other methods).
I do not have problems,even if my music is substandard.My experience of six years can visually oprdelit blunders.I just thought for others in the same situation, And if there is an opportunity to help at least something.
I am more concerned about young people who do not protect their health.Which because of hobbies can have a problem in the future.For example :
Monitor manufacturers did not know about the harmful radiation of blue.Today they are struggling with this problem.But believe that many people suffered from this, including the youth.
AFAIK the two most unhealthy things are prolonged exposure to loud sounds and sudden rise of the volume (the ear has no time to adapt).
The first cannot be solved by the producer - listeners can always listen to your tracks as loud as they want
the latter is simply called dynamic and is the main reason why classic music can be more harmful than most of the electronic genres. This can be "fixed" by compression.
Partly you're right (Known As I).I write all this time in headphones.When I visit someone who has a good sound system,I ask to put something of my things.I just don’t recognize my written tracks,they sound different.how do you explain ?
That problem has nothing to do with hearing disability, but with the fact that the equipment you use to play your track combined with the environment in which you listen to it will dramatically change how it sounds. That's an important issue that mixing engineers solve and the solution usually involves using reference tracks and careful level, panning and EQ decisions.
(Jordi Moragues) You know perfectly well the whole problem.I came across this when I started writing music in audiotool,before that I didn’t even think about it.When I started writing everything seemed simple,but then I began to encounter problems that were not for me.
I know a lot of talented guys who stopped writing because of the limited opportunities.But this is wrong
Eventually,The site has become important sound quality,not music.So gradually the site will be for the elite,for those who have good equipment and for professionals.Of course this is my opinion.I am well aware of the desire of developers to solve these and other problems,and I really appreciate it.I fell in love with this site than any other site.It is important to maintain equality of opportunity
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Every AT user has exactly the same tools available to create their music with the Studio. There isn't any advantage for any elite. The equipment you use to monitor your sound (headphones, loudspeakers, etc.) and the room or environment you listen in is outside of AT's (or any other DAW manufacturer) influence. It is up to you to use those tools to create a mix that translates well into different listening conditions, from earbuds to a club system. And the techniques used to achieve this are available to anybody who wants to learn. You don't need the best treated room to produce music that sounds professional. I hope I've addressed your concerns.
Of course, you are right that the site provides equal rights to everyone. I do not argue with that.
And if this common ground satisfies you,then I can finish this topic or delete if necessary.
And I do not read this problem as mine.If it only concerned me,then I would not bother you with this.
tbh, @AudiotoolMan you're saying this site will only be for the "elite" when its not. I have these cheap dollar store earbuds and they work just as fine as the expensive monitors. The problem is maybe you're worrying too much about how your music sounds to others too much. Simple as that.
JuniperOlive,Thank you for opinion.Why do we write music?we express our feelings.There are three options to use.the first:someone wants to achieve popularity.second: share with their kith and kin.the third:it's for myself.I carry myself to the second.But in the end I came across a parody of my work,it is impossible to normally listen to on other equipment.It is foolish to blame anyone for this.I opened this topic for discussion and finding a solution.I have no other motive.Especially since I will stay on the site until December.
"in the end I came across a parody of my work,it is impossible to normally listen to on other equipment" This problem is very old and has been encountered by every music producer ever. Your room or headphones give you one rendition of your mix that can't be reproduced in a different environment. "I opened this topic for discussion and finding a solution" The solution has also existed for as long as the problem has: It's as simple as better mixing, and the tools provided in the Studio are enough for the task. The first step, as mentioned below, is to use good, professionally done reference tracks and pay attention to how they sound in your environment. There's a ton of information about this topic online. Here's one link: https://www.recordingrevolution.com/the-mix-translatability-method-get-your-mixes-to-sound-great-anywhere/ I hope it helps.
Finally there is the first result.Thank you very much , Jordi Moragues.I will definitely try this method,in spite of difficulties.This is probably the only way out of this situation.
Glad it helped. Trust me, I've tried this myself (especially using reference tracks) and it improved my mixes a lot. I hope it does the same for you. Let me know if you have any more questions.
I will probably try to use this method on my old work and if there are any problems ,i will contact you.Thanks again for the productive solution.And more,I would really like this information to help many.Therefore, I have a question.Since I don't English well,tell me how to give a better name to this topic and what to change in the description.My life has undergone many changes over the past 8 years,if before I walked along the asphalt road,now I walk the tightrope.
I think you can leave this topic as it is. The question of how to make mixes translate well to different listening environments pops up regularly in the boards. There are several discussions in the Production > Mixing board about it with a lot of helpful suggestions already. I wish you the best.
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Use presets for curve and quantum
This is not a solution.Thank you
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. The Centroid is a mixing console, the Curve and EQ and the Quantum a multi-band compressor. Only the last two make sense as -components- of a mastering chain. They don't have "mastering options" themselves. Also, how is mastering relevant to hearing problems? You probably mean some kind of -monitoring- option since if your hearing is impaired, it will affect every stage of sound production.
I think that 40 percent of people have some sort of disability in heIn addition, someone uses a non-quality equipmentaring.Apart from people like me having trouble hearing in connection with the profession.And also children they can spoil their ears,and then the site may have a problem.need to think about the safety of listeners
We need to develop some kind of security standard,both for listeners and for those who write.
I understand the difficulties,but sooner or later this issue will be a concern for many
Or a hazard warning frequency analyzer.Even people with normal hearing can not hear the weight of the frequency range.
Or all works would receive color logos. :
red. warning about the dangers for hearing
Yellow.some danger
Green.everything is good
Blue.excellent.
Type of censorship hearing hazard.I may be wrong,
I think hearing disabilities and loudness protection are two separate issues. For the second, if you're doing music at all, I think you should know enough to adjust the volume of your monitoring system. Besides, many devices like the Master Output and the synthesizers have default presets where their output volume is not at the maximum.
Yes, I know that touched on several topics.But in my opinion they are interrelated.
Don't know if I get this right.
If you fear that your mastering may injure others because it's skewed by your hearing, you shouldn't make music without other aids at all. Even an average track would sound so bad that no auto-fix-my-mastering-device could make it acceptable for publishing. (This is not meant as an offense)
For smaller hearing deficiencies you could create a (temporary) preset for curve to compensate for that (if you have your audiometer results from a otolaryngologist or other methods).
clearly understood
I do not have problems,even if my music is substandard.My experience of six years can visually oprdelit blunders.I just thought for others in the same situation, And if there is an opportunity to help at least something.
I am more concerned about young people who do not protect their health.Which because of hobbies can have a problem in the future.For example :
Monitor manufacturers did not know about the harmful radiation of blue.Today they are struggling with this problem.But believe that many people suffered from this, including the youth.
AFAIK the two most unhealthy things are prolonged exposure to loud sounds and sudden rise of the volume (the ear has no time to adapt).
I'm not aware of other threats.
Partly you're right (Known As I).I write all this time in headphones.When I visit someone who has a good sound system,I ask to put something of my things.I just don’t recognize my written tracks,they sound different.how do you explain ?
That problem has nothing to do with hearing disability, but with the fact that the equipment you use to play your track combined with the environment in which you listen to it will dramatically change how it sounds. That's an important issue that mixing engineers solve and the solution usually involves using reference tracks and careful level, panning and EQ decisions.
(Jordi Moragues) You know perfectly well the whole problem.I came across this when I started writing music in audiotool,before that I didn’t even think about it.When I started writing everything seemed simple,but then I began to encounter problems that were not for me.
I know a lot of talented guys who stopped writing because of the limited opportunities.But this is wrong
Eventually,The site has become important sound quality,not music.So gradually the site will be for the elite,for those who have good equipment and for professionals.Of course this is my opinion.I am well aware of the desire of developers to solve these and other problems,and I really appreciate it.I fell in love with this site than any other site.It is important to maintain equality of opportunity
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Every AT user has exactly the same tools available to create their music with the Studio. There isn't any advantage for any elite. The equipment you use to monitor your sound (headphones, loudspeakers, etc.) and the room or environment you listen in is outside of AT's (or any other DAW manufacturer) influence. It is up to you to use those tools to create a mix that translates well into different listening conditions, from earbuds to a club system. And the techniques used to achieve this are available to anybody who wants to learn. You don't need the best treated room to produce music that sounds professional. I hope I've addressed your concerns.
Of course, you are right that the site provides equal rights to everyone. I do not argue with that.
And if this common ground satisfies you,then I can finish this topic or delete if necessary.
And I do not read this problem as mine.If it only concerned me,then I would not bother you with this.
tbh, @AudiotoolMan you're saying this site will only be for the "elite" when its not. I have these cheap dollar store earbuds and they work just as fine as the expensive monitors. The problem is maybe you're worrying too much about how your music sounds to others too much. Simple as that.
JuniperOlive,Thank you for opinion.Why do we write music?we express our feelings.There are three options to use.the first:someone wants to achieve popularity.second: share with their kith and kin.the third:it's for myself.I carry myself to the second.But in the end I came across a parody of my work,it is impossible to normally listen to on other equipment.It is foolish to blame anyone for this.I opened this topic for discussion and finding a solution.I have no other motive.Especially since I will stay on the site until December.
"in the end I came across a parody of my work,it is impossible to normally listen to on other equipment" This problem is very old and has been encountered by every music producer ever. Your room or headphones give you one rendition of your mix that can't be reproduced in a different environment. "I opened this topic for discussion and finding a solution" The solution has also existed for as long as the problem has: It's as simple as better mixing, and the tools provided in the Studio are enough for the task. The first step, as mentioned below, is to use good, professionally done reference tracks and pay attention to how they sound in your environment. There's a ton of information about this topic online. Here's one link: https://www.recordingrevolution.com/the-mix-translatability-method-get-your-mixes-to-sound-great-anywhere/ I hope it helps.
Finally there is the first result.Thank you very much , Jordi Moragues.I will definitely try this method,in spite of difficulties.This is probably the only way out of this situation.
Glad it helped. Trust me, I've tried this myself (especially using reference tracks) and it improved my mixes a lot. I hope it does the same for you. Let me know if you have any more questions.
I will probably try to use this method on my old work and if there are any problems ,i will contact you.Thanks again for the productive solution.And more,I would really like this information to help many.Therefore, I have a question.Since I don't English well,tell me how to give a better name to this topic and what to change in the description.My life has undergone many changes over the past 8 years,if before I walked along the asphalt road,now I walk the tightrope.
I think you can leave this topic as it is. The question of how to make mixes translate well to different listening environments pops up regularly in the boards. There are several discussions in the Production > Mixing board about it with a lot of helpful suggestions already. I wish you the best.
Good,then I'll leave it as it is.Important , that is the direction of the solution.I am glad that the audiotool is developing,Fine.