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Modern Audiotool is a Joke

AT IS A JOKE (KEYCHAIN) · started 2022-11-07 04:22 · updated 2023-10-20 01:20 · closed

Comments (35)

kurp · reply
2022-11-07 06:39 · 2022-11-07

What's the point of me reporting bugs anymore if nothing is done about them?

2022-11-07 20:41 · 2022-11-07

i just want to see the bullshit some people spew here

2022-11-07 21:47 · 2022-11-07

i pooped and farded

beanman · reply
2022-11-07 21:50 · 2022-11-07

yeah that works for me.

2022-11-08 02:31 · 2022-11-08

I read the entire thin, you have a beautiful way of words Keychain, and I think you are 95% right, im too tired to talk about the remaining 5% rn,, but ill gack to you someday

2022-11-09 05:24 · 2022-11-09

" just doing on search on the word "cymatics" in the sample browser" so true XD

2022-11-10 19:15 · 2022-11-10

The more you know

2022-12-18 23:55 · 2022-12-18

i read the whole thing, all very valid points, devs should consider everything.

and i have been asking for a midi sampler for the longest time, its really annoying escpeccially working with 808s.

2023-08-24 17:45 · 2023-08-24

Common criticisms (I did not make these up, these are not straw men but things I have actually heard said about my document, mostly from the AT discord)

  1. “YOU WROTE 6 PAGES COMPLAINING, L + RATIO,yada yada”, this whole thing only took me like 45 mins to write, that’s part of the reason a lot of it so terrible, and reads like a vizil rant for half of it.
  2. “There was no mass banning/purge by mods”, this is an anecdote, but I literally remember having a conversation with a mod on the AT discord, around a few months after it happened talking about how this was whole purge was such a blunder, and how they wouldn’t have done it if they were part of the mod team at the time. But Ik an anecdote prob won’t convince a lot of ppl, it wouldn’t convince me. So I would also like to say if you go into Audiotool discord history, there are definitely comments of ppl other than me, who are not my friends/ I don’t talk to them, they also mention there being a purge of users that happened around the time. I couldn’t find anyone that said exactly what it was about/ what caused it, but that is where I was relying on my memory. I fully understand if you think this causes reasonable doubt. All I can tell you is that I was in fact banned that day when they announced they were going to get rid of all copyright samples for complaining about it. Maybe the purge was only about the sample themselves, but all I can say is that I do remember a lot of trap kid users were remove
  3. “This sounds like a vizil rant”, fair, while I will say this was never going to not sound like I one, I wrote a 6 page rant over my frustrations with an online daw and it’s community. I still stand by everything that I said, but I do believe I should have worded it better and been less emotional.
  4. “This keychain guy complains about everything”, I mean true, but also if you want to prove my rant is invalid/unwarranted you have to actually argue about what is in the actual rant, not about who is writing it (common theme of a lot of these counter arguments)
vaporpumpkin · reply
2023-08-24 17:52 · 2023-08-24

I wouldn't call the fourth one a counter arguement to your document. Just, a general comment, an opinion, I guess

2023-08-24 18:03 · 2023-08-24
  1. “You tried to “expose”/dox specific moderators”, people seem to misunderstand, this happened when I was writing the document, all I did was ask my friends if they have any negative experience with the mods of this website, I’m not interested in where they live or who they are, or their bank account information. I know that one of the big users on this website is a mod, but I didn’t even expose that and will not, even though a lot of people probably know that, it’s like semi common knowledge. I don't think this a ridiculous thing, if you want to write a document about the problems of Audiotool, and one of the problems you are trying to talk about is the mods, why is it weird to then ask your friends (who have previously complained about the mods in the past) if they also have some negative experiences with them to try to strengthen your point. If you make a claim, you have to support it, but for some reason it got framed as doxxing adjacent, I’m just trying to strengthen my claim by giving more examples of times when I think the mods do a bad job, this is my opinion, like literally everything in that document.

In the end, it has been 9 months since I have written this, and it is still relevant in my opinion. We are still just being distracted by competitions and there have been 0 substantial updates to add basic features that should be in literally every DAW. I hate the community’s circlejerky tendencies, and I’m tired of hearing excuses as to why there has been 0 progress in improving a DAW that still needs a lot of work in 3 years AND IS STILL ASKING FOR YOUR MONEY ON IT’S PATREON, saying they have “big plans for the future” (last post was in like 2020 lmao) I would not have written this document, if the at next updates never happen, and if they weren’t asking you to pay for 0 progress, while saying they had big plans. I think the funniest aspect is that they don’t even want to at least be more transparent m, to say “oh, we don’t plan on updating/really improving the studio in the foreseeable future”

2023-08-24 18:12 · 2023-08-24

That just makes my points more valid, because it proves 1. I’m not the only one who thinks this website has those problems
2. These problems have been left unaddressed for too long
But please send a nerd emoji my way

2023-08-24 18:15 · 2023-08-24

Just say it, I just think it’s disgusting to allow ppl to pay you money, thinking that there will be “big plans” when 3 years later said big plans don’t even have an roadmap of what those plans are, yet the patreon is still up, just say you don’t plan on doing anything on an incomplete DAW already then, we already know that’s the truth

vaporpumpkin · reply
2023-08-24 20:54 · 2023-08-24

by the looks of it they're trying to fix audiotool on some regards before adding more material. Now I don't know if that's what they've been doing for 3 years (I'm pretty sure it isn't, going from memory) but at least they're doing things now

2023-08-24 21:34 · 2023-08-24

Does it rly take 3 years to add like an actual built in sample pitch function (not obtained through a horrible sounding workaround), it’s like literally all there. The machiniste can pitch but not time stretch, I don’t think it should take 3 years to add something so basic yet fundamental, especially when they have already written code to pitch samples before, they already have timestrech in some form, I don’t buy that it would be such a big stretch for us to be able to just take form of specific device that is meant for just pitching one same or device

Underb111te · reply
2023-08-24 23:07 · 2023-08-24

im going to poop on you

anodyne · reply
2023-08-25 00:03 · 2023-08-25

🤓

Guy · reply
2023-08-25 05:06 · 2023-08-25

I ain't readin allat 🤣🤣

vaporpumpkin · reply
2023-08-25 16:57 · 2023-08-25

Yeah fair enough I'm not disagreeing

2023-09-21 15:54 · 2023-09-21

the real joke is that criticism is a needed thing regardless of how it's presented, and no one seems to encourage it enough
audiotool in terms of being a DAW is below standards in some aspects despite having it's own benefits
it deserves more at a fundamental level really, but i guess complacency speaks loudly
let another year pass, with not even a development roadmap, to give us reassurance

nondeescript · reply
2023-09-21 15:55 · 2023-09-21

in the end of the day, at least you have an opinion

2023-10-18 01:20 · 2023-10-18

Mix is a step in the right direction, but I still am frustrated because it seems to be another another example of the AT vision seeming to always be looking outward adding things outside the studio rather than inward, because the studio really needs work and is broken some aspects, and it legit just feels as though it has been neglected for years only getting minor improvements. The annoying part is that when you say the studio needs work, people always seem to assume that you want them to put xfer serum in AT, and they go on and on about how your expectations are unrealistically high. All I want is for us to have some basic features, like live projects actually not being cancer, having a normal pitcher that is independent of tempo, and other things

2023-10-18 08:41 · 2023-10-18

recommendation for audiotol mods, look at other daws and think of "how do i make at better" not "how can i be bigger/ more popular' or "how can i mimic what they have"

2023-10-18 08:42 · 2023-10-18

at this point you have almost family-like users who just honestly like the daw, and if you cant serve us then you probably cant for other people

2023-10-18 13:58 · 2023-10-18

fredrik knudson should do a down the rabbit hole video about audiotool at this point

Voᴉd · reply
2023-10-19 08:41 · 2023-10-19

none of what you write makes any sense my friend. mods have nothing to do with the development of the site

2023-10-19 09:13 · 2023-10-19

pretty obvious i meant devs, but yea sure i mean devs

2023-10-20 01:20 · 2023-10-20

Hey everyone I understand the frustration about Audiotool's quiet period. And honestly it's deeply appreciated to know you care so much to take time to give all this feadback and I know you mean well. For a couple of reasons I'm going to keep this thread up, but will close the conversation. I'm also deleting the Moderator response, and will briefly summarise it here instead.

While always appreciated, for a small team, criticism delivered in aggressive or harassing way (which is in fact against community guidelines) can become demotivating and unproductive. Instead, objective feedback in the right places of the board or via email to support is much more appreciated and effective. Our community manager passes on bug reports to the team, and feature requests are collated into a document that is reviewed by the team as well.

Also I hope this year saw improvements in communication with community, which will continue to get better.

2023-10-20 01:21 · 2023-10-20
Closed