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if i can get ableton, i'm switching to that mainly

audiotool illuminati

lmao nothing like the illuminati. it's more about "the audiotool elites" (which i hate saying, because it really does give off that conspiracy theorist vibe) having more influence than the moderation team. it has literally gotten to the point where the mods are either hand picking these people to be the face of the website, or they are completely clueless.

btw, when i say they are clueless, i am not implying that they are stupid or incompetent.
i am instead saying that they are in over their heads - severely understaffed.

-scam. And I can make music. No one says you have to post music or talk to people. So don’t blame the website. It’s on you.

ok but the audiotool illuminati sounds way cooler

I completely agree.
The best method is to win over the respect of someone who is being a jackass. You make better music, have better relationship with the community and you avoid the easy response of calling them out on whatever they're doing or being hypocritical (I'll quickly go ahead and fess up that this last point it one I still need some growth on.)
And if they don't take to that, normally they either simmer down over time or they stop making music cause they're making it with no real love or passion for the craft.
Can't say that I'm not in a unique position, however. I get where @jovee is coming from. When I first started gaining followers all of the sudden my response to "trap kids" carried a lot more weight. People would flock to my defense and drown out whoever was performing the dark arts of cringe.
I've personally made it an effort to try and only encourage people on audiotool because people might see me as one of the audiotool illuminati and even if that's stupid it's a reality. I want to see this community be a cool place for cringe-ass kids to explore making music like it was when I first joined.
I still think it's that place, but that kind of culture needs to be defended and encouraged by the community if it's going to keep up.

okay but with the lobri situation and yall excusing bigotry as """DArk humor""" isn't helping the situation

you supported a harassment campaign against me (the shit with lobri, etc.)

@mannedaircraft i don't know what the lobri situation is and i don't think anyone is excusing bigotry

so this dude

1. openly labelled himself as alt-right and no one did a thing about it
2. stage a dumbass "competition" which was basically a harassment campaign against me cuz i called out his shitty behavior
3. some people supported it, including crippling comprehension, jovee, etc.

tell me the things he's said word for word that fit said descriptors

in lobri's bio:

"it's right to be alt-right"

not saying jovee is directly this but some of the shit he said and what some of his peers said fits these boxes

have you ever heard of something called irony

just because its ironic doesn't mean it can't be called out

You should take screenshots of the comments made and send them to team @audiotool .com If there's harassments, that's a no go in the terms of service. No offense to you @mannedaircraft but we're not defending anyone's actions by saying they got a point. I'm saying that people shouldn't stir the pot when others are starting drama (even crippling compression, jovee, ect..) so that audiotool can be a place where especially youth or sensitive people can feel safe to explore music.

Wow what a surprise it’s merchant

You aren’t built for the internet if you take everything, even jokes incredibly seriously.

merchant.
i am not racist and i am not transphobic. i have friends who will tell you the exact same thing.
one of my best friends is trans, and at least 3 more are black or some other race.

i'd like to point out one of my most obvious philosophies. i don't believe in race. it's so superficial and petty, that quite frankly, anyone who treats others differently in any way because of something that is literally skin deep is a complete fucking idiot.

as for trans people, they are people that i have tremendous respect for. the shit you motherfuckers have to endure every fucking day is so beyond me it's not even funny. it's complete bullshit the shit that you guys go through. and the fucking surgeries are probably painful as shit, too.

i find it appalling that you still think these things of me. i've had long talks with you about this very subject. i thought you got the message. i guess i was wrong. regardless, it really does break my heart that you still say shit about me and my friends. with the exception of @infectzion , who basically everyone knows by now that he's unfunny as fuck, all of us are human beings with empathy and dignity.

when you say these things about us, it looks bad on us. and that hurts, dude. yes, we make edgy jokes. but we've learned to not go onto this website with those jokes because they upset people. it's when people like you join our space and stay around to get your daily dose of conformation bias, and then proceed to put us in the same boat as people who hurt others based on their sexuality or their race or anything, that we get angry.

another thing i'd like to touch on is that lobri is a literal joke. he said himself that he really didn't care all that much, he was trying to get a rise out of you and a bunch of other users. when you let people like him (and sometimes me, haha) get to you, they will continue to try to get a rise out of you. because that's what they do.

please just stop spreading lies about me and my friends. this is all i ask of you.

“Harassment campaign”,challenging you to make a song that isn’t a sound collage isn’t a harassment campaign. And while we’re at it, here you are still spreading lies about my friends, ruining our reputations even after I thought we settled things months ago. You don’t get to play the victim card here, I know you love doing it, but you are not innocent.

i talked to lobri. he's not alt right. he didn't say and do those things because it was funny to him, he did them because your reaction was funny to him. that's the honest truth.
i also barely did anything to escalate the situation. maybe i made a couple of silly jokes at the situation. but i don't think me, or anyone including lobri actually agreed with the horrifying shit that was spewing out of his mouth.

i have tons of songs that are not sound collages, most of the things i do are not sound collages, littledctapes.bandcamp.com, leldctapestry.bandcamp.com.

Jesus for the love of fucking god merchant. All I did was challenge you to make a song that wasn’t a sound collage. I am not best buddies with lobri, I barely know the guy. The question is why you are bringing up several month old drama, that isn’t even relevant. He doesn’t even use the website anymore lol. The question is why are you trying to chase after us when apparently the main person that’s making you mad is lobri

edgelords, edgelords, edgelords. cishet white edgelords.

this isn't the time to promote your music bruh wtf

i'm proving that my stuff aren't sound collages

you are white you realize that, yes?

It happened several months ago, and the person who you should theoretically be more mad at is lobri, but here you are going after people who barely talk to the guy, acting as if I’m best buddies with him or something lol

yes i am, but i'm not an annoying ex-filthy frank fan edgelord like yall

@cripplingcompression I know you're mainly just stirring the pot because you like the conflict (I even understand how that's fun) but you're kinda doing what this whole post was talking about. Or at least what I've gathered. You're hating on someone over old shit & dog-piling in the comments with your crew.
Maybe you disagree with merchant, but do you think you'll change their mind? I sound like some soccer-mom teacher, but forreal you just need to separate.

i don't see a reason to even bring up the "white" part then

jovee.

your "i have a black friend therefore i'm not racist" messaging is stupid.

i'm not spreading lies, yall are just edgelords.

you also like guro and you once said, and quote "i like gore because i have a lot of fear towards women and want to see them beaten" or something.

please, seek to improve yourself. its all i ask,

you have a lot of internalized hatred and conflicting views, and also toxic masculinity taking a toll on you, and i just want to help you improve.

i know it seems like i'm just searching for negative shit to say about you but i really do care about you.

im very sorry you feel that way merchant. i was hoping we could reach some kind of agreement or truce or something. it's honestly a fucking shame because we have so much in common. very sad that you can't think outside of your box.

alright, listen: why don't we talk it out. we'll talk on discord, and we'll settle this.

Ok merchant, not all of your songs are sound collages. So by principle, doing said challenge shouldn’t be hard for you, as it’s just doing what you normally do. So how is asking you to do what you normally do anyway constitute harrassment. I did not harass you by challenging you.

Imagine using white cishet unironically as an insult. Like I’m all for using it ironicallly as a joke, as I do with everything else.

i don't want to hurt anyone, i'm not trying to "cancel" anyone, i'm just sad that people here subscribe to a kind of diet bigotry. jovee, we used to be good friends, and i still care very much about you. i'm not trying to hurt your feelings, i'm just trying to help you improve,

Btw, be careful before you decide to call me white as well merchant

“Diet bigotry”.

Whatever see you on discord buddy

i don't think i wan't to do that merchant. i'd honestly rather ignore this old washed up drama. it doesn't have a place in this board post, it's completely off topic.

listen, we can bury the hatchet and talk it out on discord, alright? i promise i'm not the terrible person some people think i am

@naswalt , I’m not stirring the pot, I’m defending my friend and myself from someone who is basically trying to say that I am Satan spawn.

i don't think you're a terrible person, i think you're very passionate about this topic and you're seeing things that aren't there.

@mannedaircraft thats the thing, I thought we already did, but here you come on this board months after all this happened.

exactly, so why don't we talk it out on disc dms? Roxy (Merchantus aka other stuf)#8286

Sadly, cringe is what happened

This does not change the fact that in Australia there are 48 million kangaroos and in Uruguay there are 3,457,380 inhabitants. So if the kangaroos decide to invade Uruguay, each Uruguayan will have to fight 14 kangaroos...

God, I need to stop beating my wife.

What? She told me she likes it

oof

Ok too much

I do like it harder daddy

God im do quirku

why?

can we talk about how spongebobs parents are practically dead
dudes an orphan

i would really say "boomers", it's more or less people that just want to argue or are defending jovee.

I wouldn't encouraged anyone to leave this site but to not take part in the bullshit that is happening with audiotool,
because there are people who just wanna make music for free.

One reason this website has a toxic community at times is because there are ALOT of kids on this website. This website is recommended by alot of schools to their students which is why there are alot of accounts with school emails. Some of said kids are really young and may not be interested in music, but are interested with interaction. Kids argue and fight, and since there are alot of kids here there's gonna be alot of said arguing and fighting.

On another note, I hate people who use this website like its just another social media. Yes, those people do infact exist. They have no music, they have a bunch of followers and follow a ton of people, and their walls are blown up with comments.

We all just need to act like civilized beings and not use this website as a hotspot for all your problems

ong - oh no, god

this

Whoever Spongebob is, I'm sure he's a minority!🤮🤮🤮

OKAY??

yeah that seems like a smart thing to say on an already somewhat heated topic

Merchant answer your discord

Maybe the reason his message isn’t one of “encouraging the site to get better” is because he knows from these last two years that the only thing that is going to most likely happen is that it either stays the same or gets worse. He is defeated, and he is not the only one who is defeated because of the state of Audiotool. Hence why he is leaving the website.

It's more about gain and repetition now

They should just surrender at that point...

Cite your source(s). (APA or MLA is your choice).

Well yeah, if everyone says fuck it and gives up trying then it will get worse. That's why improving the culture is a community effort, everyone needs to be involved

@cripplingcompression you sound like a pussy. I'm going to do anything I can to make this site better.

LANGUAGE!
I think it's an overlooked factor of respect: The way one speaks.

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The culture on this site is the way it is in large part because the "We gotta all work together in coordination," attitude is being applied to the wrong stuff. If people put half the effort they do acting out and browbeating each other into making music and enjoying that, we'd be in a very different place.

@neon_trc250 you're right. I was quick to throw out an insult there and that doesn't really help.

I'm still with you on staying on this site, though I can understand some may not be able to deal with it anymore. Turning the cookies around and crumbling the tables that got us here is no easy task, but I have faith - a bit a hope - that AT can be rejuvenated, by the very least...if we all try.
I strongly refuse to let AT die with regrets; to have the developers feel unaccomplished with what AT has become. Like many others say, AT is strong in its community. I want AT to go down in history with good connotation...if that makes sense.

audiotool is still a good website with good community, honestly. I think you have to act out to really get pulled into anything.

with all due respect withdecay, i simply do not want to help the community anymore. the community has literally done nothing but infantilize and dogpile on me for the last year. if you think i want to come back to that, much less help that community in any way, you are completely fucking bananas.

i do not appreciate being called immature. the last thing i need is for someone i used to look up to to beat me down for the eight hundredth fucking time. your condescending comments, among many others, is why i am leaving this website. i am not a child.

yes you are correct, i might act on impulse occasionally. but that does not make me any less of a human being, and i expect others to treat me with the same dignity as i give to you. i have had enough. if you want people to make the website more inclusive, i strongly suggest that you start treating others with respect. you are not above anyone morally just because you don't actively participate in arguments. stop it.

Audiotool is a good website with many good individuals, but I'm not sure I think there's an especially good community as a whole at the moment.

i am not an idiot. i know my history. i know what my actions have caused people to believe. i know that i've made mistakes. i've also done my best to resolve those mistakes. i've spent nights thinking about the chris hansen shit. i've spent nights regretting the cocknoise shit. i have regrets. i have morals. i am not an animal that needs to be sternly beaten into obedience.

Why? I'm a minority. That's like you calling me racist for identifying myself as a chink

Kids read threads, but only process one sentence. Kinda like if your mom told you to get off your iPad and then you go in your room debating whether or not you wanna run away or start an extremist group that hates moms.

In reality, your mom just doesn't want you to be a Cocomelon watching fucktard for the rest of your life. But to you, your mother just assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

I say what I say to you because I think you're able to handle it and put it to use. I am not advocating bullying you nor am I trying to bully you. I'm not trying to hold you accountable for things you've already been held accountable for either; what's in the past is in the past. But it's the repeated behavior that I want you to become aware of and control. If you are impulsive then remove yourself from situations in which you may act on impulses. Sometimes it just seems like you seek out conflict is all. In hindsight I'm critical of the way people from the server handled confronting you, because it became a trolling war. Which is why I say both sides are equally responsible. And I don't blame you for taking the bait because it's hard not to, but taking the bait becomes a problem when you actively contribute to the toxicity as a response. You can't win those battles with sheer aggression
But at the same time I know you're human. I honestly feel terrible that it's gotten to this point, despite how much I may disagree with you and your approach to situations sometimes. I understand that being painted as the villain for cheap laughs seriously fucks with your mental health. If I could go back and do things differently knowing what a shitstorm of toxicity this would become I would've stressed a more constructive way of holding you accountable. So I'm sorry I didn't do my part in that regard. And I'm sorry if I came off too aggressive with my original comment. It just bothers me when people complain about the community without considering the role they play in the problems they observe, because it's a trend I see among users with far more problematic histories than yours. You are not solely responsible for everything wrong with Audiotool nor even a fiftieth of it. My criticisms came more from a place of explaining how you may be accidentally cultivating the toxicity that's affecting you
But I guess retiring will help you separate yourself from all that and gain some mental clarity. Just sucks you have to

To finish, all I ask is that you don't insult the site itself and the people working hard to keep it afloat with barely enough resources to do so for something that is a community issue. I agree the landscape is ugly right now with all the infighting. But the least you can do is still respect Audiotool itself. As long as people are able to create for free the site at its roots will be what it's always been
With that said, take care of yourself man. Genuinely hope you can live comfortably after stepping away. I don't think you're a bad dude and you deserve to be happy just like everyone else. Just wanted to give some constructive criticism, which I'll admit I did pretty bluntly

This goes out to everyone else too, all suggestions are welcome let's work as a team!

@naswalt I’m just someone who doesn’t care anymore. Call me what you want but I guarantee that this site is going to be either the exact same it is right now or worse in 2023, 2024 etc. you can ratio or downvote all you want, it doesn’t matter, it’s still going to happen that way

@naswalt Doubt

There are just so many mfs who come on this thread thinking that they know what the fox says. There are others who are in denial, there are others who are here show that they are a crusader who is going to save Audiotool from the evil haters. It’s kind of like the whole entire site.

We have yet to see the type beat behavior tho

I think people like Jovee and crippling should be able to make edgy jokes. I'm not going to lay out when a joke goes too far cause I'm not really qualified for that. Airing on the side of freedom of speech I do think is best.
I think that other people should be able to call out when a joke might be offensive. They should even be allowed the same treatment.
Both of these groups, whether it's jokes, opinions, titles, affiliation or whatever will probably fight which generates a lot of comments where more users can see the beef.
Maybe after a thread or comment reply chain passes a certain number it won't show up in people's feed as a fail safe for stuff like this not being a huge divide that everybody hops in.

We don’t even make said jokes off of discord for the most part, but believe me, I would not be so defeated/butthurt if it was just because I couldn’t make a joke or two. (As it is late where I live, I will give actual pointers as to what I want to see tomorrow)

oh no geezer

The solution is definitely not for moderation to crack down on infighting. You solve these issues not through restrictions or shouting matches or harranging people but through earnest and civil open dialogue. I never should have gone along with the politics ban on the discord server, because that was doomed to be unevenly enforced and just made the situation on the server even worse. The almost unanimous refusal to reverse it among the rest of the mod team was a huge part of why I haven't been in that server for so long.

@noirgreyson We're back to a "Just get along" answer. Which I completely agree with. I'm not sure that we'll see that with the parties involved here, though. It feels like everybody is pointing a finger and saying "But they started it"
I do agree that more moderation doesn't encourage freedom of speech or creativity, though.
@cripplingcompression & @jovee even though you feel defeated, surely you have some advice or input on what can be done. I don't feel very qualified because I've had a pretty nice time on this site even when I've been sucked into drama. (also that's smart to have a non-public area to post edge on. That probably avoids 99% of the drama) Is there an agreed on list of issues we can look through?
Example: 1.Users with (x) overpower users with (y)
2. track comments sections or user wall posts get flooded with hate when (x)
3. Andre doesn't breast-feed me
The issue doesn't seem very clearly defined and the conversation has been a nightmare to follow

@naswalt
ok but example 3 is so hot

You can't force people to get along. You can't make people think what you want them to think. You can only engage in critical discussion in hope that you get closer to the truth, and that the proliferation of truth will lead to a more civil society. That's why open dialogue is so important.

that drama is 100% pointless lmao

EVIL pro tip: invite your friends to a sleepover and specify that you have enough sleeping accommodations for everyone then when they arrive be like "yeah all the other beds disappeared like ghosts" so everyone has to sleep in this one massive bed but it's really more like 3 california king beds attached at the sides

Are you talking of that 2019 when everybody screamed for the good old times back in 2017?

Sounds like a Seinfeld episode

I miss the old audiotool, straight from the 'Go audiotool
Chop up the soul audiotool, set on his goals audiotool
I hate the new audiotool, the bad mood audiotool
The always rude Kanye, spaz in the news Kanye
I miss the sweet Kanye, chop up the beats Kanye
I gotta to say at that time I'd like to meet Kanye
See I invented audiotool, it wasn't any audiotools
And now I look and look around and there's so many audiotools
I used to love audiotool, I used to love audiotool
I even had the pink polo, I thought I was audiotool
What if audiotool made a song about audiotool
Called "I Miss The Old audiotool, " man that would be so audiotool
That's all it was audiotool, we still love audiotool
And I love you like audiotool loves audiotool

What we need is a Miss Audiotool contest

nah its just a copypasta i cut in half

Grimebot is miss Audiotool

you can literally do that by not interacting with anyone

Bullshit I never had problems here with anyone and I interacted a lot. It must be something else

thank you for addressing this, it truly needed to be said at some point.

Bro got downvoted and un-downvoted

and let me say this again
"There still isn't a piano."

the voice of reason I've been waiting for

They have a new site location that actually works better than the current one: https://studio.audiotool.com/

AT should try some seething too

@tmthing2 Time to tackle some aussie ass