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By certain someone, are you referring to a corporate entity?

no its someone I know that made a suggestion awhile back and still I think is rooting for it

I am not against A.I being used as a tool. But using it to create art in any form, will further perpetuate the idea that us, as humans, are replaceable, replicable, and no longer needed in an industry that thrives off of creative individuals.

Ahhh that guy

Yeah no

It's a tricky subject. Personally, I wouldn't knock someone using A.I to generate images for the sole purpose of having a profile picture, or a song cover, especially on this website. At face value, it's harmless. Because whether or not a profile picture, or a song cover was made using A.I, it has no effect on your ability to produce music. If it doesn't impede on your creativity, then it shouldn't be a problem. I believe the real issue at hand is giving credit where credit is due. Say, perhaps those very same users, were to instead copy and paste a random image from google, instead of generating one using A.I, then it should be easier for them give credit to the original artist, right?

IT SHOULD BE easy, but half, if not most of AT users never do this. I am guilty of this, but never do I claim to have made, or own the art I use from the internet. Using generative A.I for that very same purpose becomes a whole can of worms in of itself, because we don't know WHO to even give credit to. No one on this website is being paid to make music FOR Audiotool, and dear almighty correct me if I am wrong. But to my knowledge that is not the case. Because of this, there is no harm, is using a tool, to generate a profile picture, for a user on a website that has no option for monetization FOR music made ON Audiotool. These users do not reap any rewards, or benefits. If this were in a more professional environment/industry, the standards for such things would be through the roof, or at least that's what you would expect. Even industry conglomerates are using A.I for posters, and advertisements, (take a look at Marvel's Thunderbolts poster), these corporations can do it, and they do it with no repercussions. I just would not hold users on this website to that same standard. Now if generative A.I is used to make MUSIC, and is then published on Audiotool, under the pretext that it's an "original" work of art, then that my friends, is an issue. It is a fallacy, and it's becoming more and more difficult to differentiate the two.

Secondly, I apologize for the extreme length of my response. Reading your comment allowed me to ponder on a few things, and I just had to share my thoughts. Let me know what you think

using AI art even just for a profile picture or a song cover is bad, on any platform including this one

generative AI pulls from thousands of online artists' portfolios without their consent. rn there is a joint class-action lawsuit against Midjourney and Stability AI for this. if you outright steal someone's art, they can at least ID their work and have a pretty simple infringement case. if instead you use AI artwork, someone's stolen art could be a needle in a haystack of millions of images in a dataset, so it's difficult for the artist to make a case for infringement without a lengthy (and probably expensive) investigation. that lawsuit i mentioned was filed in january of last year and is STILL going

+slight tangent, but there was an investigation by the stanford internet observatory into LAION-5B, a dataset used to train a bunch of popular gen AI models, and they found hundreds of pictures of CSA...

my more opinionated take is that it's creatively bankrupt. the aesthetic packaging of your music is important and should be handled with intention. cover art, profile pictures, profile banners, etc all set the tone for your music before anyone even hits play. to refuse to work within your limitations and instead have a computer shit out slop that's partially stolen is lazy and uninteresting. if you can't draw or paint, you can take photos or screenshots instead. if you can't be assed to do that, there's no shortage of artists online (and most likely local to you) who are HUNGRY for work. it's never a bad thing to get more artists involved with your project

I feel like I should elaborate, I do not really support ai for anything, the only exception is synth v ai because the stuff they used to train the ai was used with consent and the people were paid. Even then it seems a bit like the personality is taken away, but not immoral. Ai generated art (visual, musical, written whatever), fuck that because it not only takes away from the entire purpose of art, it also usally is stolen. Ai generated chatbots, creepy, and also I don't want them to become sentient because they would suffer, have you seen some peoples chats, also they help the epidemic of loneliness. Google's ai is spreading straight misinformation, and is ASS. so yeah, i generally don't support ai.

mb i didnt mean to come across confrontational. i meant "you" hypothetically, not as in YOU 🫵

Just now reading this...

Overall, the approach big tech has taken with generative A.I is the real issue. The concept of generative A.I itself is not necessarily a bad thing. It wasn't till this year, when I heard talk about the databases being used to train these A.I's, and it's not just google - IMB, and Microsoft too. Just imagine all the data they must have collected on their gaming consoles alone. My stance, people will do what they want to do. Most of them ignorant of what's really going on above the surface. Man, the other day, I saw an elderly man having a full blown conversation with an A.I assistant, like he were talking to someone real. He seemed happy. This happened at a Wafflehouse, and it's been on my mind ever since. If big tech doesn't change it's handling of A.I, it will get worse, and worse. That lawsuit is a big win.

I think the old man with the AI is a 90% full-blown realization of horror/sci stories of the past. I'm afraid that before we know it, some weird combination of Terminator, (without the interdimensional stuff, ) and Wall-E will come to life, with not only the language part of AI coming to fruition, but also the robotics part of it.

Slight side tangent, but when quantum computers become even a little powerful, that, to me when AI will become sentient. If you don't know this, your brain and quantum computers* both use almost the same mechanism to think/compute.
*In the way that your brain is in this universe, and therefore follows the laws of this universe.

Ah, I meant IBM also, not IMB. But yes... we are living in a dystopia it seems lol.

imo the whole skynet conception of AI doomsday is silly and distracts from the actual horror of AI that's already real. deepfakes are getting really convincing and there's an emerging market for deepfake porn which is most definitely made without the consent of the people whose faces are used. in america, AI images being used in this election cycle as propaganda. misinformation in general is constantly propagated online through AI images--and nowadays most people get their NEWS online. creative industries are suffering because companies are using gen AI as a cheaper alternative to real artists. the list goes on...
most likely AI will always be a slave to human interests, but a lot of the time human interests are selfish and disgusting especially in the late stage capitalism hellscape we live in now. remember the robot dogs boston dynamics promised not to weaponize? RIGHT NOW the US army is testing out armed robot dogs in the middle east!

Yes, the whole deep fake shit has to be banned, genuinely terrified of it. It has so many negative consequences that stretch so far. I completely agree, and it should be talked about more. Even then non deep fake ai pics still fool the untrained eye, i mean there was one of those spam accounts of facebook post a generated image of trump helping in the hurricane aftermath (weather he would or wouldn't i'm not talking about, the point is that its not real). However you can talk about multiple issues, what we were talking about is a real issue. Also we should think about future routes, so we are prepared. Honestly i feel like AI in general was a mistake -_-
(im gonna try and find said photo)

im sorry its so bitcrushed i was not able to find a full sized image

name drop this rat right now