This is a very old and known bug, but nobody seems to have posted it yet. The pre-delay parameter in the reverb pedal doesn't actually provide a pre-delay for the reverb. It actually provides a time separation between successive loops of the feedback parameter, making the effect resemble a kind of feedback delay. I'd expect pre-delay to define the time separating the start of the dry sound from the start of its reverberation.
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My current workaround when I want to use pre-delay is to turn pre-delay to 0 on the reverb pedal and connect a delay pedal set to 100% wet before the reverb.
Thank you! Maybe getting rid of "Feedback" and turning "Pre-Delay" into a simple time delay before the reverb starts would simplify the code of the pedal a bit? But your suggestion to develop a new device probably is the best one. There are several feature requests involving this pedal, like reverb modes (room, hall, plate, spring, etc.), impulse responses, etc.
Thanks André. I definitely sounds better. Apart from this, I've always felt that the Feedback parameter, if used at all, should work inside the reverb effect itself, not "outside" of it, where it creates delayed copies of the base reverb. But that's not a big problem for me and it should probably be better dealt with in a future new device.
Thanks for the extra info :) I almost never use the reverb's feedback feature. Depending on the setting, the multiple reverberations start piling on top of each other, which contributes to make it sound a bit metallic and artificial.
Ok I only just see this now, the update broke a lot of my tracks. If someone can help me understand how to adjust my existing values to make it sound like before, I would greatly appreciate.
I've got a deadline at the end of the week from a label to correct some things in a track. Urgently need help with this!
ok in some occurences setting predelay to minimum helps it sound close to original, i'm not sure if it's all i have to do
hey, ok. I think I can mostly get away with just resetting my reverb predelay knob to minimum and it will sound similar.. I spoke to Jordi on facebook as well and he explained the changes in a bit more detail
So from my understanding the time separation effect will still be there, it will just come with a bit of silence in the beginning.
Some of my percussion used a lot of feedback and big predelay values for almost an echo kind of effect, i think i might be able to emulate it with 2 reverb pedals if i need to
As long as I understand how to get the sound back, all good
As far as I know, the reverberation sound, feedback, room size, etc., work all the same. Even the pre-delay (if you use feedback), once the reverberation starts sounding. You just need to deal with that gap of silence that the new pre-delay has introduced. That's the only change I think.
Ok I'll let you know after tonight! I only care about and 1 track which i need to send back to a label soon. I think it's fixable
thanks for the help @jordynth and @andremichelle
seems like just setting predelay to 8 fixed all the major noticeable differences, the rest is not so significant so it's fine. most of this echo effect was used very subtly and it not that audible in the mix
"A pre-delay-time of zero emulates a point-room so to say, which makes no sense." Pre-delay indicates room size only if the listener is also the sound source. Pre-delay is more commonly used to suggest distance from the listener to the sound source, since the direct sound from a source close to the listener would arrive to him/her much earlier than its early reflections, and direct sound from a distant source would arrive almost at the same time than its early relfections. Pre-delay can be used to suggest depth (sound sources being in the foreground or background) in a mix.
Perhaps Feedback could be substituted by the more common Diffusion in a future version or a new reverb device.